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		<title>When one voice isn&#8217;t enough</title>
		<link>http://chatter.plotstorm.com/2009/06/23/when-one-voice-isnt-enough/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 19:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sadie ko</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the biggest mistakes made by creators when making empowered female characters or attempting to have female representation in a narrative, is to only do it once. A single prominent, contributing voice to carry the full weight of the female gender.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the biggest mistakes made by creators when making empowered female characters or attempting to have female representation in a narrative, is to only do it once. A single prominent, contributing voice to carry the full weight of the female gender.</p>
<p>The problem with this is that when there is only one woman standing alongside the men, speaking as loudly as they speak, every element of her character is magnified. After all, she&#8217;s &#8220;The Girl&#8221;, the only mirror we have to see ourselves in and it&#8217;s not one that&#8217;s going to reflect true for all of us. Every weakness, every flaw, every petty moment stands out like a massive, giant sign that screams &#8220;This Is What The Author Thinks All Women Are Like&#8221;. Because there is nothing for comparison to tell us any different.</p>
<p>Obviously real women are flawed, some very deeply, and flaws are a vital part of a well-rounded character. Having flaws doesn&#8217;t mean she&#8217;s not empowered or that she isn&#8217;t an important part of the story. And a lot of arguments can be made based on the virtues, skills, and accomplishments of &#8220;The Girl&#8221; in any narrative she appears in. These in turn often lead to nit-picky fights at the end of which &#8220;The Girl&#8221;&#8217;s supporters throw up their hands in frustration at the dissenters and declare &#8220;you&#8217;re just not happy unless female characters are better than the men, are you? That&#8217;s your idea of empowered, I see&#8221;.</p>
<p>So the usual answer to a weak and flawed &#8220;The Girl&#8221; is; her perfectly flawless cousin. Tough, strong, ass-kicking, skilled, intelligent, and capable; all the wonderful traits that usually get a big &#8220;Get yer&#8217; empowerment here!&#8221; sticker slapped on them. Except that, just like before, there&#8217;s only one of her, or she&#8217;s the only one out of a horde of voiceless background women to do anything of significance. Once again, she is magnified to the point of being unrealistic. At worst, she comes off as pandering &#8212; &#8220;look, look, she&#8217;s as amazing and awesome as the 500 awesome male characters in the same story! This totally proves I&#8217;m not sexist at all!&#8221;</p>
<p>At best, she becomes not &#8220;The Girl&#8221;, but &#8220;The Goddess&#8221;; the unobtainable ideal. The message that woman are not deserving of stories because we are human and flawed and equal, but because we are magical, mystical, and above the petty, war-like thoughts of men. And any of us that aren&#8217;t, don&#8217;t deserve to get our own voice.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how people &#8220;get&#8221; that a single male character can&#8217;t possibly represent all men &#8212; that&#8217;s why you get the Five or Seven Man Teams with characters types like &#8220;The Warrior&#8221;, &#8220;The Intellectual&#8221;, &#8220;The Kid&#8221;, &#8220;The Dumbass&#8221;, and every variety you can think of in-between. Most everyone understands this by default. But when it comes to women? &#8220;The Girl&#8221; is treated like another personality type that happens to have breasts.</p>
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		<title>Airbending Racism in The Last Airbender</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>sadie ko</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently, an announcement came out regarding the casting for the &#8220;The Last Airbender&#8221; movie, directed by M. Night Shyamalan and based on the cartoon series &#8220;Avatar: The Last Airbender&#8220;.  You can find the post with the announcement and pictures of the proposed actors here.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently, an announcement came out regarding the casting for the &#8220;The Last Airbender&#8221; movie, directed by M. Night Shyamalan and based on the cartoon series &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_the_Last_Airbender">Avatar: The Last Airbender</a>&#8220;.  You can find the post with the announcement and pictures of the proposed actors <a href="http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/12/10/first-look-the-cast-of-the-last-airbender/">here</a>.</p>
<p>Now, even if you don&#8217;t know much about the show or were unaware that it was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar_the_Last_Airbender#Influences">heavily influenced</a> by a variety of Asian cultures, you could at least pick up on the fact that while the drawn pictures of the sister and brother pair, Katara and Sokka, show them as being brown skinned, the actors picked for them are very, very white.</p>
<p>Skim the comments and you&#8217;ll notice that quite a few fans of the series are furious over the casting.  &#8220;Not even one Asian main actor in a film based on Asian culture?  Are you insane?&#8221; they cry, &#8220;For love the of god, at least pick someone with the right skin tone!&#8221;  To them, the racism in M. Night&#8217;s choices is apparent and appalling.</p>
<p>But, inevitably, mixed in with the protests are the justifications.  &#8220;It&#8217;s not about what race they are, it&#8217;s how well they act,&#8221; those on the other side insist, &#8220;You&#8217;re ones making it racist by insisting they pick actors based on skin tone and not on talent.  It&#8217;s a show for all kids to enjoy, so what does it matter what race they are anyway?&#8221;  </p>
<p>For them, race is such an unrelated issue that it shouldn&#8217;t even be brought up in context.  &#8220;Avatar&#8221; is a fantasy world, so whether or not it&#8217;s based on real Asian cultures is irrelevant, by their view, in determining which actors are cast.  It should be &#8220;colorblind&#8221;, which is a nice seeming word that doesn&#8217;t look as nice in practice as it does on paper.  Many of them go so far as take the moral high-ground of &#8220;well, <i>we&#8217;re</i> just going to watch the movie and judge them on their <i>acting</i> and <i>talent</i>, while you lot are still off judging people on their <i>race</i>.&#8221;  It&#8217;s unfortunate that they&#8217;re taking the moral high ground for the sake of a industry that&#8217;s already in the racial sewers.</p>
<p>But lets look at the concept of hiring based on &#8220;talent&#8221; instead of &#8220;look&#8221; or ethnicity and why it doesn&#8217;t work &#8212; and that even if it did, Hollywood isn&#8217;t doing it that way regardless.</p>
<p><b>Talent vs. Race</b></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to need an example to explore this, so lets take the character <a href="http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Sokka">Sokka</a>.</p>
<p>So the people doing the casting sent out an open casting call (they didn&#8217;t, but work with me here) and the only two people who show up for auditions are <a href="">Jackson Rathbone</a> and an Inuit teenager with no acting history we&#8217;re going to call Kakortok.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re going to say that except for his eyes, which are probably brown, if you put Kakortok&#8217;s hair into a pony-tail, he&#8217;s a dead ringer for Sokka.  His acting skills are so-so; he&#8217;s got decent comedic timing, he mumbles most of his lines and his movements and expressions are stiff.  There&#8217;s some potential there, but Oscar worthy he is not.</p>
<p>Jackson on the other hand, is a fantastic actor (Note: I know crap about his acting skills, but for the sake this argument, we&#8217;re going to assume he&#8217;s the next Anthony Hopkins.)  He comes into the audition and he&#8217;s got Sokka&#8217;s mannerisms, comedic timing, and facial expressions down <i>pat</i>.  He can do a near perfect impression of Sokka&#8217;s voice actor, so he even sounds right.  Moreover, he&#8217;s got experience and unlike Kakortok, he knows what he&#8217;s doing on a set.  The casting director is blown away, &#8220;he&#8217;s the embodiment of Sokka, if Sokka were white!&#8221;</p>
<p>So at the end of auditions, the casting director sits down and talks with the producers and other directors  &#8212; and at the end of the debate, they decide to hire Kakortok instead.  Because he&#8217;s the right look and ethnicity for an Inuit-inspired character.  Sorry, Mr. Whitey, no role for you.</p>
<p>For a lot of people, this is the quintessential &#8220;Affirmative Action&#8221; scenario.  Reverse Racism in all it&#8217;s glory.  Some talented, capable white kid looses out on a job because of a bunch of bleeding heart liberals are too concerned with racial diversity and being &#8220;fair&#8221; and give the position to a less talented (aka: less deserving) minority kid instead.</p>
<p>Is it racist to hire someone based entirely on their race and not their skills?  Of course it is.  But my example above also isn&#8217;t the full story.  If you only pay attention to that simple &#8220;black-and-white&#8221; part of it, you&#8217;re accepting a half-truth.</p>
<p>Because here&#8217;s what you got to ask yourself:<br />
<b>Do you honestly believe that Jackson Rathbone would <i>never</i> be able to find another role?</b></p>
<p>He&#8217;s the next Anthony Hopkins!  Okay well, even if he isn&#8217;t for real, he <i>has</i> recently acted in the block buster movie &#8220;Twilight&#8221; and held TV positions before that.  He&#8217;s also attractive and popular with the teenage/twenty something crowd.  He&#8217;s building himself a name.  If he got turned down for this role, there&#8217;s a high chance he&#8217;d already have three more lined up.  Granted it&#8217;s not certain, as the film industry is fickle, but he&#8217;s got a better chance than the no-experience Kakortok.</p>
<p>We all talk in terms of minority based hiring &#8220;costing&#8221; white people a job and we talk like that was the <i>only possible job available to them</i>.  It isn&#8217;t.  They&#8217;re already ahead of the game compared to many minority groups, because the playing field isn&#8217;t equal.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t want to talk down about the reality of poverty stricken or poorly educated Caucasians &#8212; because I grew up that way &#8212; and I don&#8217;t want to talk like there aren&#8217;t individuals of color who hold powerful, well-paid positions or are highly educated.  Or make it sound like the &#8220;word of the law&#8221; on equality isn&#8217;t being violated here.  But as an attractive white woman who was given the opportunity to &#8220;prove myself&#8221; in a job well beyond my educational and experience levels, do I feel that a minority woman of my same background would have been given the same chance?  Hell no.  </p>
<p>The spirit of equality is that a minority actor should get the role of minority-inspired character <i>even if</i> it means passing over a more talented white actor.  Because the white actor still has more chances elsewhere.</p>
<p>But lets go back to the talent vs. ethnicity deal.</p>
<p><b>Learned vs. Born that Way</b></p>
<p>Whether or not acting talent is in-born is debatable.  I&#8217;d say acting is like any other art form; 1% talent, 99% effort.  Some actors fall out of the womb being able to act, other have to study and practice and work their asses off to get it right.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t make Jackson Rotheborne not white.  But you could teach good old Kakortok to act.</p>
<p>Now let step back from our fantasy example.  The casting director, allegedly, didn&#8217;t do open casting for Sokka, which means they scouted or sent out offers to actors or potential actors directly.  (Think of how Daniel Radcliffe was found because he sat next to the casting director in a theater.)  We don&#8217;t know exactly how they went about it.  Maybe they saw &#8220;Twilight&#8221; and decided that they loved Jackson for the role of Sokka.  Which would mean that from the onset, not a single ethnic actor who actually resembles Sokkka was given a chance to prove their acting skills or prove they have the potential to learn. </p>
<p>Maybe they did send out offers to dozens of young male actors across the racial board &#8212; and only Jackson turned out to have the right skills for it.  I admit, I have a hard time not calling bullshit on this.  Of all the Asian (East and Southeast), Native American, and Latino young men out there in the world, this white kid really was the best actor out of all of them? </p>
<p>I mention Daniel Radcliffe above.  Lets harp more on the Harry Potter thing.  J.K. Rowling required that <i>only</i> British actors get hired for Harry Potter, which is something I will always love her for.  There had to have been better British child actors out there more talented than Daniel Radcliffe.  It&#8217;s not statistically possible that he, with his stiffness and limited range of expression in the first movie, was the best that Great Briton had to offer.</p>
<p>But Daniel Radcliffe <i>is</i> Harry Potter.  We knew it from the first cast photos and we were dead certain by the time the movie posters came out.  This had nothing to do with his acting and everything to do with his look.  The same is true for Rupert Grint as Ron Weasly (who actually could act).  Casting according to appearance isn&#8217;t always a bad thing.</p>
<p>Do you look at Jackson Rotheborne and say &#8220;yes, THAT&#8217;S Sokka!&#8221;  If you do, you&#8217;re one of the few.</p>
<p><b>It&#8217;s not your place to judge&#8230;no seriously, someone else already has.</b></p>
<p>It is good of people when they decide to withhold their judgment and not look negatively on the actors because of their race.  This is important, because the actors aren&#8217;t to blame.  They&#8217;re undoubtedly good, hardworking kids who&#8217;ve put a lot of effort into getting these roles and are probably very excited to have them.  They&#8217;ve done absolutely nothing wrong.</p>
<p>When people talk about &#8220;judge based on acting, not on race&#8221; they are talking about judging the actors.  They trust that the studio made good choices in terms of acting (or will suffer the consequences of low box office sales, in theory) and were fair.  </p>
<p>People who are against the casting picks aren&#8217;t judging the actors, they&#8217;re judging the people doing the casting.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t trust that the studios are hiring based on acting skills.  Which is a reasonable judgment, considering that the open casting call for Aang specifically said they were looking for young men between 12-15 of &#8220;Caucasian and any other ethnic descent&#8221;.  It&#8217;s really not that much of a stretch to believe that they went looking for Sokka and Katara actors of Caucasian decent first and didn&#8217;t even look too hard at non-whites.  And that, ladies and gentlemen, is hiring according to race.</p>
<p>(And for anyone gearing up to type &#8220;oh so it&#8217;s okay for them to hire according to the ASIAN race, just not WHITE race, uh huh, hypocrite, who&#8217;s the racist now?&#8221;, be aware I may copy/paste sections of this article in response to you, since I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;ve been reading it.)</p>
<p>When you judge the actors based on acting, you&#8217;re assuming that the studio, director, casting director, producers, and everyone else involved, already did their bit for Equal Opportunity.  You&#8217;re assuming &#8212; and accepting as fact &#8212; that the people doing the casting gave equal chances to actors of all races to prove their capabilities.</p>
<p>Because that&#8217;s what hiring based on skills really means.  Everyone gets a chance to try out and prove themselves.  It doesn&#8217;t mean picking a handsome white actor from a popular movie to play a tan-skinned role or asking for white people and the faceless, homogeneous mass of &#8220;any other&#8221; race to send you audition tapes.  Whether or not movie goers are racist in judging actors doesn&#8217;t change whether or not the studios used racist hiring practices.  </p>
<p>When we defend a studio&#8217;s choice of actor based on <i>us</i> not being racially against that actor, we&#8217;re putting our moral high ground on their moral sinkhole.</p>
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		<title>Anti-interracial vs. Anti-same sex</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 01:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A common statement that pops up in the same-sex marriage debate is the fact the current arguments being used against legalizing same-sex marriage are the exact same ones used against legalizing interracial marriage a few decades ago.
Many &#8220;one-man, one-woman&#8221; individual rolls their eyes at hearing this over and over again.  &#8220;That&#8217;s illogical,&#8221; they say, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A common statement that pops up in the same-sex marriage debate is the fact the current arguments being used against legalizing same-sex marriage are the exact same ones used against legalizing interracial marriage a few decades ago.</p>
<p>Many &#8220;one-man, one-woman&#8221; individual rolls their eyes at hearing this over and over again.  &#8220;That&#8217;s illogical,&#8221; they say, &#8220;Those who were against interracial marriage were <i>clearly</i> wrong because they were against opposite-sex couples that fit into the definition of marriage.  Same-sex couples don&#8217;t fit into the definition of marriage.  There is no comparison between the two issues at all. &#8221;</p>
<p>(To me this sounds like they&#8217;re saying &#8220;interracial marriages are okay because they aren&#8217;t same-sex&#8221;, which is weird &#8212; it has nothing to do with interracial marriage being right or wrong and everything to do with same-sex marriages being wrong.  By the same logic, couldn&#8217;t you then argue that &#8220;same-sex marriages are okay because they aren&#8217;t incestuous&#8221;?)</p>
<p>What they should be saying is &#8220;That&#8217;s illogical.  We only know that those who were against interracial marriage were wrong because all the things that they said would happen, <i>didn&#8217;t happen</i>.  That&#8217;s how we know they were wrong.  But all the things <i>we&#8217;re saying</i> <b>will</b> happen if same sex couples can get married.  And no, it doesn&#8217;t matter that we have no more proof of this than they did.&#8221;</p>
<p>For me, I completely see the comparison.  (well, duh)  People were against interracial marriage not because it was honestly wrong or unnatural or against god or unhealthy for society &#8212; they were against it because they were <i>afraid of those things being true</i>.  They were <i>afraid</i> that society would collapse, that god would punish us, that it was wrong and unnatural.  Why should we, as a society and a species, trust that those against same-sex marriage aren&#8217;t just acting out of fear and ignorance?  At the very least, they should find some new arguments.</p>
<p>Anyway, an intensive (read: 5 minute) Google search turned up a PDF comparing arguments made against interracial marriage, for anyone interesting in seeing the similarities.  The PDF link itself goes to a dead page (<a href="http://www.vtfreetomarry.org/pfds/Arguments_Against_Interracial_Marriage_and_Equal_Marriage.pdf">here it is, in case it comes alive again or works for someone else</a>), so I copy/pasted it here from the Google cache.</p>
<p>Among the obvious, this really shows how our language has changed over the years.</p>
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<b>ARGUMENTS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF “TRADITIONAL” MARRIAGE: THEN AND NOW</b></p>
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<td>Arguments against Same-Sex Marriage in 2000</td>
<td>Arguments against Interracial Marriage from 1948 to 1967</td>
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<td>Same-sex marriage <b>runs counter to God&#8217;s plan</b>:<br />
“If God had intended for same-sex couples to marry, he would have made Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve.”</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>Interracial marriage <b>runs counter to God&#8217;s plan</b>:<br />
“Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”</p>
<p>(Source: Virginia trial judge upholding conviction of Mildred and Richard<br />
Loving for interracial marriage, quoted in Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 3<br />
(1967))</td>
</tr>
<td>Same-sex relationships are <b>“unnatural” and “unhealthy.”</b><br />
(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>“The amalgamation of the races is not only <b>unnatural</b>, but is always productive of <b>deplorable</b> results. The purity of the public morals, the moral and physical development of both races, and the highest advancement of civilization . . . all require that [the races] should be kept distinctly separate, and that connections and alliances so unnatural should be prohibited by positive law and subject to no evasion.”</p>
<p>(Source: Dissenting California Supreme Court Justice objecting to that<br />
Court&#8217;s decision striking down a state law ban on interracial marriage in Perez_v. Lippold, 198 P.2d 17, 41 (1948), (Shenk, J. dissenting))</td>
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<td>Homosexuals are <b>“perverted” and “abominable.”</b><br />
(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>Persons wishing to enter into interracial marriages come from the <b>“dregs of society.”</b></p>
<p>(Source: Advocates in favor of California&#8217;s ban on interracial marriage, quoted in Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 25)</td>
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<td> If we allow “gay marriage,” then the next thing you know we&#8217;ll have brothers and sisters wanting to marry each other, or demands for legalization of polygamous marriages.</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>“[If interracial couples have a right to marry], all our marriage acts forbidding intermarriage between persons within certain degrees of consanguinity are void.”</p>
<p>(Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 40 (Shenk, J., dissenting, quoting from a prior court case))</p>
<p>“The underlying factors that constitute justification for laws against miscegenation closely parallel those which sustain the validity of prohibitions against incest and incestuous marriages.”</p>
<p>(Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 46 (Shenk, J., dissenting, quoting<br />
from a prior court case))</p>
<p>“[T]he State&#8217;s prohibition of interracial marriage . . . stands on the same<br />
footing as the prohibition of polygamous marriage, or incestuous marriage, or the prescription of minimum ages at which people may<br />
marry, and the prevention of the marriage of people who are mentally<br />
incompetent.”</p>
<p>(Source: Excerpted United States Supreme Court oral argument transcripts from Loving v. Virginia, from Peter Irons and Stephanie Guitton, eds., <i>May it Please the Court</i> (1993) at 282-283, quoting Virginia Assistant Attorney General R. D. McIlwaine, arguing for Virginia&#8217;s ban on interracial marriage)</td>
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<td>Gay people are free to marry just like anyone else, as long as they marry a member of the opposite sex.</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>“Each [party seeking to marry a member of a different race] has the right and the privilege of marrying within his or her own group.”</p>
<p>(Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 46 (Shenk, J., dissenting, quoting<br />
from a prior court case))</td>
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<td> Same-sex marriage would precipitate the breakdown<br />
of society.</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>“Civilized society has the power of self-preservation, and, marriage being the foundation of such society, most of the states in which the Negro forms an element of any note have enacted laws inhibiting intermarriage between the white and black races.”</p>
<p>(Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 40 (Shenk, J., dissenting, quoting from a prior court case))</p>
<p>Interracial marriages would be a “calamity full of the saddest and<br />
gloomiest portent to the generations that are to come after us.”</p>
<p>(Source: Tennessee Supreme Court, quoted in Eric Zorn, Chicago Tribune, May 19,1996)</td>
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<td>Same-sex couples cannot biologically conceive children together, and therefore can&#8217;t satisfy the goals of marriage.</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>“When people of the same race marry, they cannot possibly have any progeny, . . . and such a fact sufficiently justifies those laws which forbid their marriages.”<br />
(Source: A judge in a Missouri case, quoted in Eric Zorn, Chicago Tribune, May 19,1996)<br />
<font color="red">Admin Note: I think it&#8217;s supposed to be &#8220;people of different race marry&#8221;, but I&#8217;d to find the original quote to be sure.</font></td>
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<td>The founders of Vermont would never have supported same-sex marriage.</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>“[A]t the very time the Constitution of the United States was being formulated, miscegenation was considered inimical to the public good and was frowned upon by the colonies, and continued to be so regarded and prohibited in states having any substantial admixture of population at the time the 14th amendment was adopted.”</p>
<p>(Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 46 (Shenk, J., dissenting, quoting from a prior court case))</td>
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<td>Allowing same-sex couples to marry would degrade “traditional” heterosexual marriages.</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>Allowing interracial marriages “necessarily involves the degradation” of conventional marriage, an institution that “deserves admiration rather than execration.”</p>
<p>(Source: A U.S. representative from Georgia quoted in Eric Zorn, Chicago Tribune, May 19, 1996)</td>
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<td>Advocates of same-sex marriage are urging the Legislature to take a step that no state in the country has ever taken. Why should Vermont be the first?</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)</td>
<td>“[S]uch laws [banning interracial marriage] have been in effect in this country since before our national independence and in this state since our first legislative session. They have never been declared unconstitutional by any court in the land although frequently they have been under attack. It is difficult to see why such laws, valid when enacted and constitutionally enforceable in this state for nearly one hundred years and elsewhere for a much longer period of time, are now unconstitutional under the same constitution.”</p>
<p>(Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 35 (Shenk, J. dissenting))</td>
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<td>Gay people should not be allowed to marry because [in the United States] they suffer a higher incidence of AIDS than heterosexuals.</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)
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<td>Racial intermarriage should not be allowed because of the physical inferiority and higher incidence of certain diseases among certain races, such as sickle-cell anemia among African Americans.</p>
<p>(Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 23-24 and n.5
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<td>(summarizing the State&#8217;s argument in favor of ban on interracial marriage))<br />
Same-sex marriages have adverse effects on the parties&#8217; children, and those children are apt to suffer stigma.</p>
<p>(Source: Vermont House and Senate Judiciary Committee Public Hearings, 1/25/00, 2/1/00)
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<td>“It is contended that interracial marriage has adverse effects not only upon the parties thereto but upon their progeny . . . and that the progeny of a marriage between a Negro and a Caucasian suffer not only the stigma of such inferiority but the fear of rejection by members of both races.”</p>
<p>(Source: Perez v. Lippold, 198 P.2d at 26 and n.5 (summarizing the State&#8217;s argument in favor of ban on interracial marriage))
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		<title>Getting Gay Married</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#8217;s talk Prop 8.  I&#8217;m sure most of you know, but as a refresher; Prop 8 is the measure to get gay marriage banned in California.
As a woman in a committed relationship with another woman who wants to make said commitment legally recognized, I will be voting No on Prop 8.  This has [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s talk Prop 8.  I&#8217;m sure most of you know, but as a refresher; Prop 8 is the measure to get gay marriage banned in California.</p>
<p>As a woman in a committed relationship with another woman who wants to make said commitment legally recognized, I will be voting No on Prop 8.  This has less to do with things like taxes and health insurance and everything to do with things like being able to protect each other and any children we might have in times of crises.</p>
<p>But the tax benefits and legal acknowledgment of our union helps too.</p>
<p>When people argue against something that, to me, so obviously represses or infringes upon the happiness of others for no good reason, all I can think to myself is &#8220;they can&#8217;t understand what it feels like to be on the other side.  They can&#8217;t know the real reasons why this is so badly wanted.&#8221;  But if that is the case, there has to be something they <i>do</i> believe.  Some reason that is &#8220;good enough for them&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t think all of the people who want to vote yes on Prop 8 who do so out of hate &#8212; mostly it&#8217;s just fear.</p>
<p>Fear of what?  Religion is a big part of it, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s all, as I&#8217;ve met agnostics against gay marriage.  (I have yet to meet an atheist against it, though, which I think says something.)</p>
<p>In the nature of understanding what my opponents are thinking in the same-sex marriage debate, I visited one of the &#8220;Yes on Prop 8&#8243; websites and explored a couple of the articles linked there.</p>
<p>There was one particular article that caught my attention and I will link here when I get home and find the link again, so I&#8217;ll be citing my sources like a good little researcher.</p>
<p>The article was a point-by-point break down against the usual Pro-Gay Marriage points.  It was well written, mostly non-secular, and well informed.</p>
<p>It was also one of the few times that I&#8217;ve seen the sheer depths of someone&#8217;s prejudice shining through even though they aren&#8217;t directly acknowledging it.   He didn&#8217;t say that it was wrong to be gay or wrong for homosexuals to form long-lasting, loving relationships with each other &#8212; just as long as it wasn&#8217;t acknowledged as being equal to heterosexual marriage, because that would completely undermine civilization as we know it.</p>
<p><i>How</i>, exactly, same-sex marriage would do that boiled down to two apparently interconnected fears:</p>
<p>1) It would imply that mothers and fathers are interchangeable when it comes to raising children.<br />
2) It would imply that marriage is a social construct, not an act of natural design.</p>
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In regard to the first fear&#8230;in my mind, this is less about marriage and more about gender politics.  This debate has been going on for ages and would be going on even if homosexuality didn&#8217;t exist.  It hinges on one particular belief &#8212; that fatherhood is a role that can <i>only</i> be filled by a genetic (and, depending on who you&#8217;re talking to, self-identified) male and motherhood is a role that can <i>only</i> be filled by a genetic and self-identified female.</p>
<p>If having a uterus was the only requirement to making you a mom, the above would be true; anyone who&#8217;s been fucked over by the woman who gave birth to them could disagree with that.  If being mom also meant that you cared, proved for, loved, supported, and raised a child into a adulthood &#8212; well,<br />
men and women are equally capable of that, so why not just knock off the gender requirement all together?  I understand the fear that comes with that concept, because wouldn&#8217;t that, by default, render one gender obsolete?  I don&#8217;t believe so, but that&#8217;s another argument.</p>
<p>So far, studies have shown that while children do better in homes with more than one parent, there is no difference between the development of children raised in same-gendered households and those raised in opposite gendered households.  And this is true whether they&#8217;re being raised by two gay men or two gay women or by a single dad and his best buddy, or two spinster aunts, or a single dad and his dead&#8217;s wife brother and his best friend (Full House was pretty progressive in that regard, if you want to think about it that way).</p>
<p>In short, preventing gay marriage does very little for this particular gender debate, sorry.</p>
<p>So lets go on to the idea of marriage being an act of natural design versus a social construct.</p>
<p>I really need to find that article, because he had a fairly lovely way of describing marriage.  His view is that marriage is the basis of civilization; that it is the act of a man and a woman coming together to<br />
produce and raise children, creating a family, and that family is in turn the building blocks that created civilization.  So redefining marriage is impossible because it should be beyond redefinition &#8211; or society will collapse.  Pretty, but faulty.</p>
<p>I could argue that marriage isn&#8217;t necessary to create a family  &#8212; because that would imply that all those unmarried couples who are raising children together aren&#8217;t families, that communal households of friends and siblings aren&#8217;t family, that my household isn&#8217;t a family, etc and so forth.  But that<br />
could be nit-picked to death, so rather I want to talk more about marriage in relation to society.</p>
<p>To call a relationship between two individuals a marriage automatically implies a level of social acknowledgment.  My partner and I can call ourselves married until we&#8217;re blue in the face, and it will not change how other people treat us or regard our partnership unless they can also agree that we are married.  A societal definition and therefore, defined by society.</p>
<p>Nature dictates the desire of human beings to form emotional and physical partnerships.  It is this natural desire to unify our lives with another, to produce children or to join families or increase wealth or merely to care for each other, that the article and others who hold to this belief are probably thinking of.</p>
<p>But it is society that CHOOSES to call it marriage and ascribes an importance to it not held by other relationships.</p>
<p>Marriage could be re-defined a hundred times over and never change the base human desire to form long term connections with other human beings.  As long as that desire remains, our civilization will manage just fine.</p>
<p>Lastly, a similiar fault of this belief structure is that marriage has <i>always</i> been defined as being between men and women.  This is only true if you&#8217;re Judeo-Christian, and not say, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions">Roman, Greek, Chinese, Native American, or from certain African tribes</a> (stuff about woman-woman marriages in Africa are <a href="http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst;jsessionid=LmhGPsgCX6GglmjZR7Tn8Qp5yGYpZndkHnb11xx5n5qt5x92MH4T!-1548738138?docId=96537414">especially interesting</a>).  Please to be researching more, thanks.</p>
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		<title>The future of meat</title>
		<link>http://chatter.plotstorm.com/2008/09/30/the-future-of-meat/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In an act of apparent cleverness, PETA offers a $1 million prize to the first research team to come up with a competitively priced fake meat by 2012.  Which is nice that they&#8217;re offering money as a reward and all, but considering that over $5 million has already been put into this research and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an act of apparent cleverness, <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/21/peta-offers-1-millio.html">PETA offers a $1 million prize to the first research team to come up with a competitively priced fake meat by 2012.</a>  Which is nice that they&#8217;re offering money as a reward and all, but considering that over $5 million has already been put into this research and it&#8217;s going to cost millions before it yields marketable results, isn&#8217;t offering only $1 million the equivalent to giving someone $50 bucks for buying a new house?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say it isn&#8217;t a nice thought, though &#8212; the &#8220;don&#8217;t kill animals, just grow them to be eaten&#8221; part, not the reward.  I will say that PETA has their heart is in the right place, even if that heart is full of bitter black hatred for their own species and doesn&#8217;t always seem on the up-and-up for the animals they profess to love, either.</p>
<p>Producing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_meat">in vitro meat</a> that has no feelings, no brains, and no way of suffering would be a great moral balm for anyone wanting to eat their steak and potatoes without guilt.  It would also mean less environmental damage than the huge factory farms that are destroying tracts of land and creating literal ponds of shit (especially in the case of pig farming) and less risk of disease or use of growth hormones on the meat itself.  Not to mention, that&#8217;ll help clean up our methane problem.</p>
<p>It sounds too good to be true and probably is.  I could go on a rant about how governments could allow this new technology to create sub-par, genetically corrupted meat that results in horrific cancers or strange mutations or amazing superpowers.  (Maybe not the last one.)  But I don&#8217;t honestly believe that.  Not because of any faith in the government, mind you.</p>
<p>You know vitamin pills?  Supplements are awesome when you don&#8217;t have the time or resources to eat right, or have certain vitamin deficiencies.  This doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the human body doesn&#8217;t process supplements as well as it processes whole, natural foods.  Most of the vitamins in those pills just pass through our systems and aren&#8217;t absorbed at all.  Real food, cultivated properly, is just healthier for everyone involved.</p>
<p>And thus we circle back around to the issue of massive, animal abusing, environment destroying factory farms, that are producing meat in unnatural and unhealthy situations.  They shouldn&#8217;t and can&#8217;t continue as they are.  PETA and other animal rights groups would just like to see them disbanded entirely.  I can&#8217;t agree with that either, because some people, as well as certain pets that people keep, need to eat meat.  Humans are omnivores.  Get over it.</p>
<p>So what to do? </p>
<p>Eat <i>less</i> meat, for one.  The amount of animal protein consumed in the United States alone is staggering.  Even with the growing vegetarian community, there are still restaurants who&#8217;s menus are 90% meat dishes.  Many of said dishes are composed primarily of a Meat, and then some random vegetable that isn&#8217;t even identified in the list of ingredients beyond &#8220;served with roasted vegetables&#8221;.  Salads aren&#8217;t considered a &#8216;real meal&#8217; until some strips of grilled chicken or bacon have been tossed on top and vegetable soups get a base of chicken or beef broth because, apparently, they aren&#8217;t flavorful enough on their own.  And the average household feeds itself following the same thought process.  I know mine did growing up.</p>
<p>Maybe instead of replacing meat with a laboratory produced equivalent &#8212; or attacking people with horrible images of slaughterhouses to make them feel bad about themselves for liking a nice rare steak on occasion &#8212; we could try changing the direction of our diets?</p>
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		<title>Just some Googles</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometimes I just like to talk and this is one place to do it.  Since I already have this blog sitting around, taking up space on my domain, I may as well put it to some use.
Here, have some talking stuff:
Google Chrome &#8212; of course, everyone who actively uses the internet already knows about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I just like to talk and this is one place to do it.  Since I already have this blog sitting around, taking up space on my domain, I may as well put it to some use.</p>
<p>Here, have some talking stuff:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/chrome">Google Chrome</a> &#8212; of course, everyone who actively uses the internet already knows about this.  Google comes one step closer to it&#8217;s ultimate dominion of the internet (and computers in general) by rolling out it&#8217;s new browser.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty shiny little tool.  I use it at home, if not at work yet, and the only major complaint I have is that the automatic spellcheck function doesn&#8217;t jive with Livejournal.  Considering that LJ is my primary source of social blogging and general skulduggery, and I am an incurably bad speller, this is something of an inconvenience.  </p>
<p>Additionally, for reasons beyond my full comprehension, Chrome and my Vista-enabled 1GB RAM Laptop don&#8217;t care for each other.  One minute I&#8217;m trucking along fine; the next, Chrome has slowed to a snails crawl and won&#8217;t let me close it, let alone any tabs or even switch to a different program.  I have yet to discover whether this has anything to do with Chrome as a whole, or my laptop in particular.</p>
<p>Whenever I think about stories set in the far future, I think about Google.  The common adage now-a-days for the internet savy is &#8220;How did I ever manage without Google?&#8221; (I think we all had to go to use &#8216;other search engines&#8217; or even go to the &#8216;library&#8217;, but I can&#8217;t swear by anything.)  Will some variation of Google remain with us forever, now?  Or if it becomes bankrupt or obsolete, what would take it&#8217;s place?</p>
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